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Re: Things that suck! Not so nice things!

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:33 am
by Stephen Miller
Working for free, that really sucks dirty dwarf

Re: Things that suck! Not so nice things!

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:06 pm
by Glarundis
I agree with the idea that while we have capitalism, voting for this or that political party isn't gonna change much.
About weed, it is addictive, more than LSD or mushrooms.
Max, you're ppl, ppl should have the right to enjoy psychologically addictive stuff instead of working, yada yada it's their own life. But really, it can destroy one's life (maybe not weed, but if we dig deeper)
tbh, alcohol never made me angry, whilst weed made me paranoid about everything you can ever conceive or imagine. I was never so afraid in my life.
Oh yeah and the phone machine thing, I have to agree with that. Machines are totally destroying our job system, I wonder when will revolutions start to happen again.

Re: Things that suck! Not so nice things!

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:13 pm
by Mike
Glarundis wrote:I agree with the idea that while we have capitalism, voting for this or that political party isn't gonna change much.
About weed, it is addictive, more than LSD or mushrooms.
Max, you're ppl, ppl should have the right to enjoy psychologically addictive stuff instead of working, yada yada it's their own life. But really, it can destroy one's life (maybe not weed, but if we dig deeper)
tbh, alcohol never made me angry, whilst weed made me paranoid about everything you can ever conceive or imagine. I was never so afraid in my life.
Oh yeah and the phone machine thing, I have to agree with that. Machines are totally destroying our job system, I wonder when will revolutions start to happen again.
Policing narcotics makes as much sense as guards shooting people to keep them from making suicide jumps from the Empire State building.

Re: Things that suck! Not so nice things!

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:25 pm
by Glarundis
Not really, because there's a whole underground world attached to drug commerce, and that does f*** up a lot of people's lives.
If it wasn't for money, this wouldn't happen, but there is money, and druglords know that drugs sell. So shit happens. All the way from where the drug is produced to the guy that uses it. Everybody loses. And some of them make tons of money out of it.

Re: Things that suck! Not so nice things!

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:35 pm
by Maximilian Lhoth
Glarundis wrote:Oh yeah and the phone machine thing, I have to agree with that. Machines are totally destroying our job system, I wonder when will revolutions start to happen again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Re: Things that suck! Not so nice things!

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 1:20 pm
by Mike
Glarundis wrote:Not really, because there's a whole underground world attached to drug commerce, and that does f*** up a lot of people's lives.
If it wasn't for money, this wouldn't happen, but there is money, and druglords know that drugs sell. So shit happens. All the way from where the drug is produced to the guy that uses it. Everybody loses. And some of them make tons of money out of it.
Wouldn't be an underground market if drugs were legal. You could just buy crack and meth and your grocery store.

Re: Things that suck! Not so nice things!

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 1:31 pm
by Glarundis
thanks :)
But I mean now, with current society. Back then when it started, although there was some sort of machines and the steam train and all that, it was very very different than what it is now..

Re: Things that suck! Not so nice things!

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 12:45 am
by Maximilian Lhoth
What comes to drugs, I personally think mild drugs (khat at least, cannabis, psilocybine, maybe even MDMA) should be legalized and taxed like alcohol & cigarettes are being taxed.

1) The cops could concentrate on worse stuff
2) The courthouses could concentrate on worse stuff
3) Freedom of an individual is a good thing
4) More taxes to maintain a welfare state

-> if it REALLY fails, it could be stopped by raising taxes on these drugs

the abrahamic anti-hedonistic idea of psychotropic substances being bad < scientific facts on psychotropic substances

heavily

100 years ago the attitudes and laws about sexual activity were similar, and in some extent they still are as well

Re: Things that suck! Not so nice things!

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 12:50 am
by Maximilian Lhoth
Glarundis wrote:Oh yeah and the phone machine thing, I have to agree with that. Machines are totally destroying our job system, I wonder when will revolutions start to happen again.
People are being fired because machines do the work. An intelligent species would take advantage of this; people have to work less and still enjoy the high standard of living. Who the hell wants to work - people only want to get paid, that's why they work. Naturally, those who work should have a higher standard of living, but the idea of everyone working is outdated, it should be abandoned already. People shouldn't be blamed for being welfare bums like I am.

Re: Things that suck! Not so nice things!

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 1:05 am
by Glarundis
it's true, mike and max, but that's now how it works atm, it's all underground. And for light drugs, you could even argue, but as for heavy drugs, I mean. Druglords know they will destroy people's lives. Shouldn't exist, end of story.
max, i think it's more complicated than just the issue that went with sexual behavior. I think that one could go from there to find "the truth" but it's a bit more complicated imo.
it's not just about hedonism, it's about what changes it makes in your life. And it does change. People think that those should be used just because people want, but then why not shoot people just because people want? Yes, of course, it hurts other people. In the end, those things hurt other ppl aswell, and the main community. Just like people abusing alcohol. And something else that destroy's peoples lives if taken to the extreme -> gambling.
But you know what, casinos bring big bucks to the governments, that's why they exist. Stupid governments care about money.
The thing is, you can gamble and drink alcohol without becoming addicted, or without it changing your mental state.
And you can use drugs without becoming addicted, it's true, but it's easier to get addicted. And, your mental state always gets changed when you use drugs. That's why people use drugs no?To get changed in their minds.

As far as my opinion goes, the world would be better off without drugs. Heavy and light. I may be biased about the effects of light drugs, since I had the worst experience of my life with marijuana so :P
But it's a scientific fact that even light drugs can get you addicted. And that enough is a good reason not to have them. No matter how good they may be for some people. I guess this is somehow related to that hedonism and the sexual thing you talked about max.
would you do something that felt great if it was the cause of your downfall?
We all know that after the rush of ecstasy comes the shitty feeling.And so on.
So we must be careful about pleasure. Not pleasure itself, but the context.