Boris wrote:Your biggest problem is your lack of communication. If you're enemies IG, it doesn't mean you need to hate each other outside of the game.
This isn't targeted to anyone personally. By you, I mean you all.
- Boris
Even if enemies IG it does not mean you have to act like total dick (killing with malleus trough walls example) and suchs actions which will make the player hate each other even outside the game. There is loads of dick moves they can make with religion powers, allow enemy loot and banish him into dragon island (most likely will get killed and looted by dragons because of lack of stamina and without steed) example. Those are things that are not necessary and will cause only trouble for other side, these actions will make players hate each others even outside the game and force more work for gm's because there cant be proper discussion made trough ICQ between the parties.
Even if its a game, it still pisses you off to start gathering group for later day because of the difficulty of the situation and with some luck imperials go and clear the island and yoink your stuff from the dragons before you can recover them yourselves. (they wont admit it ofcourse)
There is too much loop holes and grey areas that are labeled either LEGAL or ILLEGAL and each situation differs from another which makes it impossible... they are always up to gm decission and if ppl start taking no risks there will be no reports at all or another party will be jailed all of time because of "false accusations". This is something that takes away the interest in playing the whole damn game.
I'm curious, why did anyone post in the first place? Monad gave us a message, and then Athan posted that. None of us are retarded. We've all seen it, Boris and the rest of the staff are the most Neutral batch I've ever seen. How Dare you all question what's common sense and general knowledge. We're all Painfully aware that there's a lot of players lately that use whatever edge they can to hurt other people. Just shut up and listen to them, it takes some arrogance to say one thing, when you know EXACTLY what they're saying. Don't do illegal things, don't falsely accuse others, and for the love of god, if you lose, accept it. I've lost plenty but there's not a single word of it anywhere. Why? Because that's Pangaea. Pang life is rough, accept it.
Boris wrote:Your biggest problem is your lack of communication. If you're enemies IG, it doesn't mean you need to hate each other outside of the game.
This isn't targeted to anyone personally. By you, I mean you all.
- Boris
Even if enemies IG it does not mean you have to act like total dick (killing with malleus trough walls example) and suchs actions which will make the player hate each other even outside the game. There is loads of dick moves they can make with religion powers, allow enemy loot and banish him into dragon island (most likely will get killed and looted by dragons because of lack of stamina and without steed) example. Those are things that are not necessary and will cause only trouble for other side, these actions will make players hate each others even outside the game and force more work for gm's because there cant be proper discussion made trough ICQ between the parties.
Even if its a game, it still pisses you off to start gathering group for later day because of the difficulty of the situation and with some luck imperials go and clear the island and yoink your stuff from the dragons before you can recover them yourselves. (they wont admit it ofcourse)
There is too much loop holes and grey areas that are labeled either LEGAL or ILLEGAL and each situation differs from another which makes it impossible... they are always up to gm decission and if ppl start taking no risks there will be no reports at all or another party will be jailed all of time because of "false accusations". This is something that takes away the interest in playing the whole damn game.
Yes there are some real dicks out there, that's true. But would killing those dicks be as much fun if they weren't dicks in the first place? Think about that. This is also something that makes Pangaea Pangaea. It was like that back in the old days when I played and it's like that now, it's just different names now.
I'm not saying I'm holy myself, but at least I can say truthfully I don't act like a dick on purpose.
Uzriel Raven wrote:I'm curious, why did anyone post in the first place? Monad gave us a message, and then Athan posted that.
Just wait until it happens that you make an attack on someone, with rp and screenshots which is ruled illegal then a week later someone else does much worse rp and makes a kill - reported this, comparing the situations to be told before the case is reviewed if it is proven wrong I get marked, ofcourse I backed down I wasn't even the victim. Thats why I posted at first to this topic. Kept this vague with no indications of which incidents they refer to for a reason don't want to whine/get jailed.
An yeh regarding that ooc thing about keeping it ig, Ivan is right some people do things ig that just really are assholish and you can't help but hold grudges against, I don't hate anyone it's a game at the end of the day - but when the same two or three people get away with doing illegal/assholeish things on a weekly basis to me in game it does get get kinda personal. And now I'm going to get marked of I try to report them because as it has happened almost every time recently loopholes are found, used and abused.
At this stage if you can't rely on the rules, have to stoop down to their level. I will be trying my hardest to duplicate situations that have happened me recently
Uzriel Raven wrote:I'm curious, why did anyone post in the first place? Monad gave us a message, and then Athan posted that. None of us are retarded. We've all seen it, Boris and the rest of the staff are the most Neutral batch I've ever seen. How Dare you all question what's common sense and general knowledge. We're all Painfully aware that there's a lot of players lately that use whatever edge they can to hurt other people. Just shut up and listen to them, it takes some arrogance to say one thing, when you know EXACTLY what they're saying. Don't do illegal things, don't falsely accuse others, and for the love of god, if you lose, accept it. I've lost plenty but there's not a single word of it anywhere. Why? Because that's Pangaea. Pang life is rough, accept it.
Knowing why they are against it it's just easier to ignore those rants. It's quite common that if one doesn't like a rule and it affects yourself, you try hard to come up with silly hyphotetical scenarios as a last resort to override the rule (basicly what Athan tries to do) or try to make the staff look like stupid (basicly what Ivan tries to do). Point is all of us know how it works and why it is there. You don't have to like it, just obey it.
About the topic of hate, I hate the poeple who has something OP and uses it as much as the poeple who made it, gave it to them and have weak arguements for why they have it.
Its not that i do not like the rule (its reasonable) but more the problem is that there is cases that force you to take marks for reporting them and you didnt know that you were wrong. Also sometimes communicating with opposing side is impossible due stuff they do to other side players, we are not priest we do not hold banishment or stone etc. "bullshit" abilities that shouldnt exist and might allow misuse that is on the grey area between legal and illegal.
Basicaly there is always different scenario that will happen because of the enemy making something realy annoying... If you want it simple ban banishment and suchs rites that could be abused in pvp(Not ment into pvp situations and right after them) and then you wont have any other problems except rp and looting "mistakes". (if not atleast these rules would reduce some work load)
Oh and if possible add rule to attacking from house and to house like you did with boats. (trough walls i mean)
malleus thru wall ain't any worse than looting worthless armors and putting them to britain market. it's just about weakening the enemy, not necessarily grudging. a weakened and demoralized enemy is easier to defeat, which is your advantage. if a law officer must choose between hunting juka lords using aura or killing noxes through wall with malleus, in my personal opinion, the tome is meant for latter. the forementioned aura in pvm is just a bonus gift from winchester.
Maximilian Lhoth wrote:malleus thru wall ain't any worse than looting worthless armors and putting them to britain market. it's just about weakening the enemy, not necessarily grudging. a weakened and demoralized enemy is easier to defeat, which is your advantage. if a law officer must choose between hunting juka lords using aura or killing noxes through wall with malleus, in my personal opinion, the tome is meant for latter. the forementioned aura in pvm is just a bonus gift from winchester.
we'll see if we ever get you in the position where you can simply be raped to your houses and have no chance of escaping? Sounds a lot of fun? You get away from group of enemies and will be killed just for their fun. How about us luring giants on your corpses so you wont get your shit back and similiar tricks? Cast a stone wall on the corpse... there is a lot of possibilities to annoy you just as hard. Then again why to bother? Laws just seem to want to bother because they are simply dicks in some cases. Banishment? total bullshit in my opinion... but then again? who cared about my opinion? No one it seems and it seems im the only one who gets these actions made towards. And i tried to be as nice as using 2d on robbing but what do i get? Tyrion up my arse when trying to return to outpost.
