More robbers?

[Palma]

Yep, unless you have more players on the field than opponent when against religion. Its more of idiocy.

Lol xD

About Athan's points, I agree with them all. I don't know about others but, I'd loose AG members if robbers were allowed. Thus making AG weaker and I'm fine with that. Would be more diversity and a lot more smaller pvp fights. I'd do the same on Skrin if wouldn't be going robber just to be all alone out there and unable to fight anyone.
If I was to turn Skrin into a robber today, I would have zero pvp with him thus ruining a char. Would have such a highly trained character just to hit and run sucks balls xD Would be cool to see other smaller group fights.

I highly miss those fights between guilds.

[Demian]

Yep, unless you have more players on the field than opponent when against religion. Its more of idiocy.

Whatever it is (even though we win fights 5v8), let people be idiots then. Why is it a problem to you if some weak non-religious chars want to go robbers and face the big bad religions? You don't have to if you don't want to.

[Ivan]

Yeah there is difference, between fighting law 5v8 and fighting imp 5v8. I agree, perhaps you should try seeing what it is like on the other side of the fence? even for once?


But my opinion stands, fix the balance between piety and non-piety and we could perhaps start breaking up these huge factions, since its not necessary to have anymore religious support.

[Demian]

Yeah there is difference, between fighting law 5v8 and fighting imp 5v8. I agree, perhaps you should try seeing what it is like on the other side of the fence? even for once?


But my opinion stands, fix the balance between piety and non-piety and we could perhaps start breaking up these huge factions, since its not necessary to have anymore religious support.

What I meant is 5 AG vs 8 Imps, like last time in New Haven right before PvP ban.

And if you're too cowardly to rob without religious support, why do you have to deny it from others?

[Ivan]

I dont want to break it to you, but robbing without religious support is gonna be rob&log, with gaters obviously. Thats not even playing, thats just boring. There is no excitement in that, law are so lazy that the cant catch your group even if they wished. But if you happen to want to fight properly against them, they just overpower your group even with equal numbers due character difference.

I wish someone on this shard had the brain to deduce that much already by themselves. But seems like someone who has actualy done robbing before has to make it clear to you.

EDIT: Nox didnt die because no one wanted to rob anymore, it died because it was not on equal footing with religions without tekstone support. We simply couldnt fight on equal ground, thus everyone started playing tekstone chars which could fight against law.

[Demian]

I dont want to break it to you, but robbing without religious support is gonna be rob&log, with gaters obviously. Thats not even playing, thats just boring. There is no excitement in that, law are so lazy that the cant catch your group even if they wished. But if you happen to want to fight properly against them, they just overpower your group even with equal numbers due character difference.

I wish someone on this shard had the brain to deduce that much already by themselves. But seems like someone who has actualy done robbing before has to make it clear to you.

Like we saw last time right? When the swedes made their robber guild we caught them pretty many times out there robbing by being active and patrolling. But none of that is relevant to the issue at hand, which is allowing people use their chars for whatever they want to use them for.

And I have robbed before, way before you did, back when you really could call Law OP. I always had Elya chasing me but that didn't stop me. Not everyones a coward. And even if they were, that's no reason to deny them from trying.

[Ivan]

Just read the edit part, there is no future being robbers on pang. You'd have to commit one of your characters completely to robbing and perhaps outdoor hunting, which is no fun on the long run. You cant pvp against laws, sure you can run around having them after you or whatsoever.

Rob&log aint still fun and it aint gonna be ever.

[Ares]

Pretty much everything Boris said.

[dwight]

Yes to everyone having robbers.

I can understand Ivan's point about the rob and log out, but maybe if it was mandatory the use of .halt (or something else) when you are robbing, and after you use such command, you cant instant logout at inns/houses, having a timer that would be the same when you log out outside (aslong as the .halt effect is on)? Surely would make robbers life very hard, but might prevent the "coward" logout (even if its stupid to stay and fight agasint stronger players)

[Ivan]

Yes to everyone having robbers.

I can understand Ivan's point about the rob and log out, but maybe if it was mandatory the use of .halt (or something else) when you are robbing, and after you use such command, you cant instant logout at inns/houses, having a timer that would be the same when you log out outside (aslong as the .halt effect is on)? Surely would make robbers life very hard, but might prevent the "coward" logout (even if its stupid to stay and fight agasint stronger players)

There is nothing "coward" about logging out right after robbery, its being wise. If you want to be ganked by group of law that has gotten ready after their 15 min preparations for pvp, you dont log out.

There is no need to make robbers life harder which is boring already as it is currently. If you want to see the sparks to start a fire, you need the robbers to be able to make their stand against religions.

No one wants to lose their OP piety abilities, which is the reason there is no non-religious faction or robbers altogether. If you guys didnt have to be in religion just to get the boost from piety to pvm or pvp, we'd already have several small robber guilds on the shard.

So what exactly am I asking here or trying to point out once again? Balance it so that non-religious characters wouldnt be underhanded compared to religions, after that incidents like DMS warring TEK would have no meaning since dms characters would be just as powerful as the tekstone ones, so they could simply oppose them. It'd be up to tekstone to take the risk of warring a large guild, instead of way around.

This way robbers would be put under control with the force of law and its allies instead of simply law strolling in and starting to fight 3v5 and beating the shit out of everyone. You get my point yet?