Veritas Global?

[Simmo]

Veritas is the latin word for truth.

Each religion (but tek) has holy word of their god with the power word Veritas.

Each cleric that casts Veritas is calling their god's truth.

Tekstone, in my vision isn't much about truth and virtue, it's more about lying, decease, dark side, etc. So imo the power word for tekstone holy word should be something like Mentiri or Mentior.

Yeah but you got the topics point, i hope.

[Johnny Walac]

Yeah if Veritas became global it would be

Changes to Tekstone
+ Veritas to Tekstone
- Removal of Keening
- Removal of the latest GA update

[Glarundis]

no
for rp purposes, no
because it sucks to have it equal for everybody, no
i would rather remove the rite at all, from everything, pvp and pvm, than to have every religion have it.

or, the best solution, have every religion have a rite which is equal in terms of speed and mana, and does more or less the same damage, but the effect (squelch) is based on the religion's pvp.
this would be the main special rite for all religions.
on top of this, why do law have malleus if they have veritas?following the same line, if tekstone had this, they shouldn't have keening.

now
nature - the original veritas, squelches enemies and damages undead/daemon
law - deals a bit more damage to all enemies, even more damage to reds and the more murdercounts, the higher the damage (without overdoing it), damages praetorians and terathans. (now that i talk about praetorians, shouldn't there be praetorian bosses like there are undead bosses, daemon bosses, giants, dragons?..
imperial - empties the enemies' bankbox. empties the monster's bankbox (lol). makes vendors sell you their stuff at half the value. buys your stuff at 10 times the value.
tekstone - deals the amount of damage specified, then drains health stamina and mana. hurts creatures like shaboolies and ophidians and shit that has druid regs, i don't know..you get the idea


just don't make it equal for everybody.
there's a reason we have class system. we want balance, but we don't stuff to be completely the same

[Simmo]

Bro Glarundis, you didnt catch my topic idea and neither you got idea about veritas. All 3 religions has equal veritas. And i said Veritas Global just to point it out. It can be Satirev(veritas backwards) or anything you wish just the damage and so equal.

But i love removing keening/veritas from all tomes and leaving law their malleus because they need it. Imp needs nothing because their solitude on whole moonglow ruins everything anyway.

[Mike]

no
for rp purposes, no
because it sucks to have it equal for everybody, no
i would rather remove the rite at all, from everything, pvp and pvm, than to have every religion have it.

or, the best solution, have every religion have a rite which is equal in terms of speed and mana, and does more or less the same damage, but the effect (squelch) is based on the religion's pvp.
this would be the main special rite for all religions.
on top of this, why do law have malleus if they have veritas?following the same line, if tekstone had this, they shouldn't have keening.

now
nature - the original veritas, squelches enemies and damages undead/daemon
law - deals a bit more damage to all enemies, even more damage to reds and the more murdercounts, the higher the damage (without overdoing it), damages praetorians and terathans. (now that i talk about praetorians, shouldn't there be praetorian bosses like there are undead bosses, daemon bosses, giants, dragons?..
imperial - empties the enemies' bankbox. empties the monster's bankbox (lol). makes vendors sell you their stuff at half the value. buys your stuff at 10 times the value.
tekstone - deals the amount of damage specified, then drains health stamina and mana. hurts creatures like shaboolies and ophidians and shit that has druid regs, i don't know..you get the idea


just don't make it equal for everybody.
there's a reason we have class system. we want balance, but we don't stuff to be completely the same

Rock paper scissors type balance, where everyone is different but equally powerful, has not worked out. It's simply beyond the capabilities of staff members and the shard as a whole to make it work, which the last decade has proven well enough. It takes a company like Blizzard serious man hours to get it even close to right. That's why everyone needs Veritas.

[Glarundis]

why do we have a class system then?
doesn't it prove that the rock paper scissors thing doesn't work?so maybe we should get rid of class system
i agree that rock paper scissors good balance is hard to get here in pangaea and it takes a lot of work from the makers of the game (in this case, the staff). but if we all need veritas, we all need equal chars. you can't just say that everyone is as strong as priest, or as strong as a barbarian. if we're all going to have veritas for the sake of balance, same should be done to class system. if class system can be made balanced (or it is even balanced, despise the doubts of some) then maybe the rites are also balanced despise the doubts of some.
if you call this veritas fix a small fix towards balance then same should be done about everything else (if we are to follow the same line of thought)

while i think rites are not balanced and class system is not balanced, it's not coherent to make it equal in one side for the sake of balance but not make it equal on the other side for the sake of same said balance.


OR, we can just go wild and say fuck it and give veritas to everyone if it makes everyone happy

[Simmo]

You are far outa topic! It is only about tomes and Yes or No. This has nothing to do with babas and tailors. Im trying to bring pvp back ._.

[Mike]

You are far outa topic! It is only about tomes and Yes or No. This has nothing to do with babas and tailors. Im trying to bring pvp back ._.

Yeah, I'm done repsonding to Glarundis in this thread as he clearly intends to crap all over it. I would ask anyone else to just take the arguments into account before voting.

[Quintoz]

Glar you're out of it.
There was talk about giving tekstone veritas and make it global and balance it around every priest having it and that it would be easier to balance that way. But I dunno if it made it past that point and recent change to tekstones aura suggests this wont happen. I voted yes because I think this would bring pvp back to a point where it's enjoyable.

[Glarundis]

it's not out of topic. it's not wise to get veritas to everyone for the sake of pvp (if 3 religions with veritas kill pvp, 4 religions with pvp will kill it more). it will be a veritasfest, like it was a guardfest when religions were spamming guards (that was by far the lamest shit on pangaea lol, we could clear cities with it)

i talked about babas and tailors because giving veritas to everyone for the sake of pvp balance goes hand in hand with making all chars the same for the sake of balance.
equal rites ->->->->->-> equal skills ->->->->-> equal everything


however

we can just go wild and say fuck it and give veritas to everyone if it makes everyone happy