Grant full chains to barbarians?

[Boris]

Sure, but a pointless update is pointless. In such a case we should ask ourselves, are we trying to boost a class or simply standardize metal sets.

Proper data on the difference (full chains vs. full chains /w ringmail tunic) is welcomed.

- Boris

[Bestia Domare]

if i have my facts straight I am confident that right now, warrior is the superior class.
at least have damage interfere with the regen and the classes might be somewhat balanced again.

Taking damage already interferes with the natural regeneration.

perfect, i was told otherwise

[Boris]

Proper data on the difference (full chains vs. full chains /w ringmail tunic) is welcomed.

No volunteers?

- Boris

[Zaradon]

Pointless fix, there's something else to be nerfed on the second day after this change for the class.

Even tho, they could use full chains.

[Boris]

The only valid perspective is barbarian-warrior and how those two classes are in balance with each other.

There's nothing wrong with the original idea. The only reason behind 'why not' is 'not enough of a difference' making the update useless.

Sum up: test and get data. If it's a useless update -> think of something else.

- Boris

[Kent Strider]

Seems like your trying to fix something that is clearly not broken, just how it seems to me.

[Boris]

Some data from today.

Fully trained Warrior (165STR) /w iron maul of vanquishing vs. invul baba set / invul chain set / invul plate set (50 hits).

• Invul baba set:

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  75
  57
  79
  71
  92
  67
  57
  57
  55
  61
  69
  85
  64
  39
  71
  83
  58
  61
  89
  66
  66
  64
  82
  61
  59
  77
  60
  70
  52
  58
  74
  92
  69
  68
  88
  89
  55
  76
  63
  105
  76
  73
  80
  70
  67
  80
  71
  62
  65
  123
  
  AVG: 71,02
  MIN: 39
  MAX: 123

  Invul chain set:

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  30
  67
  114
  61
  61
  78
  65
  85
  95
  69
  47
  56
  81
  74
  57
  61
  53
  82
  33
  60
  72
  50
  74
  71
  74
  67
  81
  83
  82
  79
  55
  50
  53
  78
  65
  64
  58
  95
  32
  67
  80
  72
  81
  61
  81
  76
  34
  67
  84
  66
  
  AVG: 67,62
  MIN: 30
  MAX: 114
  

  Invul plate set

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  74
  76
  89
  50
  70
  74
  96
  52
  44
  27
  48
  47
  65
  61
  54
  38
  61
  56
  70
  74
  53
  70
  50
  81
  72
  96
  52
  80
  69
  61
  140
  55
  53
  58
  59
  71
  46
  65
  40
  67
  73
  81
  58
  67
  58
  76
  92
  58
  49
  62
  
  AVG: 64,76
  MIN: 27
  MAX: 140

Sum up:

Plate: 64

• Chain: 67 (+3)

• • Baba: 71 (+7)

- Boris

[Boris]

And due to boredom...

• Invul bone set:

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  71
  62
  86
  65
  67
  41
  60
  82
  81
  73
  66
  61
  60
  59
  69
  75
  74
  79
  79
  68
  74
  70
  57
  75
  64
  62
  82
  40
  69
  64
  67
  42
  55
  66
  100
  67
  185
  64
  60
  74
  75
  81
  48
  67
  60
  72
  65
  67
  70
  80
  
  AVG: 70
  MIN: 40
  MAX: 185
  

  Invul studded set:

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  78
  57
  81
  81
  69
  65
  66
  84
  71
  67
  55
  66
  66
  65
  73
  84
  91
  67
  67
  69
  46
  92
  57
  73
  67
  41
  94
  97
  71
  99
  111
  99
  78
  61
  91
  68
  82
  58
  67
  102
  66
  70
  57
  74
  80
  81
  50
  69
  61
  98
  
  AVG: 73,64
  MIN: 41
  MAX: 111

Plate: 64

• Chain: 67 (+3)

• • Bone: 70 (+6)

• • • Baba: 71 (+7)

• • • • Studded: 73 (+9)

PS. This isn't bulletproof data due to randomness of raw weapon damage (based on dice)
PPS. Consider this as directional data.
PPPS. According to directional data - full chains aren't the answer.

- Boris

[Hilda]

To me, that test leads me to believe barbs should just use full chain and that plate needs a boost (not ar wise, but rather ar-mecanic wise).

And based on the post you just posted, they should use full chain for the sake of normalizing armors, not boost wise.

[Jon]

The difference between plates and other armours is just ridiculous.