Retiring in 2013'ish

[Basil Brotheamus]

Well maybe he had a point? Cause right now everyone is talking on how is it that Monad just left GM position mids April, and how he's already HP of a religion end of August.
How can you guys let such things happen? Can't you guess what harm stuff like that brings to the shard? How unhappy everyone will get? How it'll be a topic of behind your back talks? xD

Man, what? :)
So far I've only got people from different religions and guilds congratulating me for HP spot. You're the first one I hear who have issues with it.
What does it matter if someone become HP after 4 months or 10 months? Last time I was in Imperial in 2006 I became HP straight from 20 piety and was HP for 1.5 years. That was way before my staff era and first time ever in Imperial. Now I became HP from 30 piety. I'm not sure if that explains anything because I'm not sure what you're hinting at but thought to mention.

"How can you guys let such things happen?"
How can who let happen what? After Vaux himself voluntarily decided to step down, the players of Imperial voted me as HP with 21% of total votes being the only candidate for the spot. Staff have never interfered to election of the HP in religions, why should they now?

In everything you argue vs players you find a middle term, maybe the middle term should of been not banning Monad so long, but at least make sure he doesn't rise to power of changing shit so badly in game? You would of done that to us players, give on one hand and take with the other lol.

Many players are afraid of the impact this will have, and this new topic, isn't really helping. :roll:

Usually I have quite good understanding or insight what people mean and I really, really tried to understand this paragraph, but I honestly couldn't. Please say straight what you mean with the "make sure he doesn't rise to power of changing shit so badly in game" or "give on one hand and take with the other" and I can give my input. I hope I don't sound like attacking you but I just hope to understand what you're trying to say. Peace out.

[Ares]

I couldn't figure out if he was serious or not.. It's completely inane. So decided not to answer, but alright.

If Monad is jailed for 1 month or 3, what's the difference? After all those years as staff, it's not like he's going to forget everything about Pangaea or not know what's planned in 2 months.
I voted for the 1 month jail as a sign of trust and gratitude from the rest of us.

What ever the fuck you think the staff has to do with Imperial elections is wrong. We have absolutely no involvement in this, what so ever.

[Boris]

It doesn't matter for how long you jail an ex-staff member.

Same deal with me. It doesn't matter if I'm jailed for a month or a year. Accusations will be a part of my normal game play from day one.

• Find a decent cloth from a monster -> "Well, he knows the scripts brah!"
  Kill someone in PvP -> "Well, he knows the scripts brah!"
  Wear an orc bone set because you're simply poor -> "He must know something that we don't, brah!".

The game depends so much on dice, luck and chances - everything listed above is just funny. Nothing still changes the fact, that other players will be following your/my/our moves 24/7.



- Boris

[Glarundis]

i don't think what's so weird about monad as hp
most of us already knew him, we know he's good for the spot and he's active and it was just a question of give or take a week before this would happen, because that's how things were gonna roll anyway

it's exactly the same thing that happens when suddenly a guy comes back to pangaea, and he was the greatest hp ever in this x religion or whatever, ppl will most likely welcome him back and put him in the hp position after he has trained the char a bit and all.

i think that the only possible complain is the rp one, because a guy just appeared and all, no story in the religion but everyone knows that the hp elections aren't the best example of fine rp

[Vaux27]

Firstly on the topic, I hate to hear this. I've had many disagreements with Boris but I've always believed he was looking out for Pangaea's well being in every decision. I could also see the writing on the wall in talks with you in recent months, but I was hopeful you everything would remain the same in most areas. It's possibly time for some others to step up and apply to GM, some interesting times are ahead for Pang either way.

As for Palma's comments on Monad, what you smoking over there, man? Kidding, but he's earned his seat as an HP due to many reasons. Returning as an active loyal Imperial was what ultimately made this a simple decision in the end for myself. I'm not able to be active enough as an HP admittedly, and I suggest if you're an inactive HP you should also step down if you're not able to progress your respected religion. Him being a former GM within a years time means absolutely nothing in regards to him being an HP. Especially considering he's a player that concentrates on advancing RP and improving the quality of a religion as a whole. We're lucky to have players like that around here honestly, so to even suggest it was some sort of negative that Basil took seat is absurd, IMO.

[Kent Strider]

I don't see how Monad becoming HP of Imperial makes any difference at all, it seems like something that would likely have happened regardless of the situation. He was always loved by Imperial before he even became a GM. We loved that fool lmao

[Palma]

Alright maybe reading my post I can see how it looks offensive. I assure you I don't mean to be offensive, I rarely do lol.

I don't care about Monad being HP, I'd do exactly the same! And I mean no disrespect, Monad's cool!

Thing is, people don't care how legit you guys do seem to be, they will always think the opposite.
If Imperial under Monad's HP tomorrow, takes over a City, what do you think it'll happen? What do you think they will tell?
If Imperial receives a boost, what do you think they'll say?
Imperial was the first to do that new steed, what do you think they are saying that happened?
If in the next battle Imperial's veritas doesn't hurt tek and Law's veritas hurts nature, what will people say about favourism?
If someone in Imp gets 50 piety and another in other religion doesn't...
Etc Etc.

Point is, things like that should be considered before doing actions. The immediate future of whines is very related to Monad being the HP of Imperial right after leaving GM. And doesn't matter if it was legit or not, players will be pissed on that moment and that'll bring problems.

All I'm saying is that you guys tend to consider those situations beforehand, and in this case, it seems one of you considered and no one else did. Cause you're protecting each other. If someone created a rule, it must mean that there were problems before without that rule. Now, rules can be adjusted to today, but not forgetting that they exist for a reason.

Sum: People will say what they will want to say, and you should care about what's said. Cause even if it's invented based on some theory, if it makes the least sense, someone will hear it and pass it on. And that causes problems.

[Kent Strider]

I see what you are trying to say Palma, but it is basically the same thing when a player becomes a GM. Same exact thing.

[Johnny Walac]

Monad was on the longest stakeout in Pang history. Countless of hours gathering information about every Imperial individual in order to persuade them in favour for HP election. Pretty obvious duh.

[Boris]

It's possibly time for some others to step up and apply to GM, some interesting times are ahead for Pang either way.

That's the attitude I hope to see from others as well. Staff comes, staff goes. Administration changes every 3 years or so (excluding Repsak) and now my time's up. Instead of rage-quitting by snapping fingers or quitting when it's almost too late (what I call doing the Alteran) -> I can retire in my prime like a pro athlete. Quitting because you don't care or you're bored is the wrong way out. Vice versa, I'm passionate about Pangaea and always will be. I have as much value as a player as a staff member. The biggest loss here is only my fat wallet.

- Boris