The ridiculous state of PvP

[Ivan]

Make it easy. Only religions can pvp.

My opinion about this is: No.

Sure it would make game simpler to monitor, but it'd completely separate the pangaea's pvp from the chars that are not given piety or self blessing abilities. Even if I am outsider in the eyes of religion, I certainly dont want to restrict the pvp to religions only.

What comes to giving "newbies" peace, seems like you are not on the same map with lastest updates ie. despise is pvp free dungeon completely. It'd be nowdays shitloads easier to start playing even if there was robbers around.

Stoning is currently strickly monitored, because it restricts other players playing. I think it should've never existed to begin with jailing people belongs to GMs not for players. Besides of that stone has/hasnt been fixed to meet the maximum time of 1 week, last time I heard it was in use even it lasted 3 months still, even if it was supposed to be changed.

EDIT: You know that the religions are always more popular for their piety given powers and pvp will never exist without them being involved nowdays.

[aldath c'om]

Make it easy. Only religions can pvp.

yes please. if you want to pvp you join religion. if you dont you dont just join one.
or even better. add some heavier reasons for pvp. im tired of this pvp problem.
why do religions need to pvp each time they meet other? reason must be the loot(you say it isnt) but still theres no way to talk your way out the situation other than die and get looted. no this havent happened to me.

[Demian]

Make it easy. Only religions can pvp.

That will never happen and neither should it. If non-religious people choose to PvP that is up to them. Why deny them from doing something that they choose to do out of their own free will? No one is forced to PvP. Even religious people can avoid it if they choose to.

[Talerco Pious]

Make it easy. Only religions can pvp.

Sorry but this makes absolutely no sense in an RP world

[Haley]

Make it easy. Only religions can pvp.

That will never happen and neither should it. If non-religious people choose to PvP that is up to them. Why deny them from doing something that they choose to do out of their own free will? No one is forced to PvP. Even religious people can avoid it if they choose to.

Sorry I'm not up on who's new in the faculty so I don't know who all are GM's and who aren't. The statement of it will never happen and neither should it sounds like you have the power to say so but something tells me you don't.

"No one is forced to PVP". That's a straight up lie. If someone comes and says give me your stuff or die. That's kinda being forced I think. People force pvp on people that don't want it. Why not force them into a "religion" if they want to keep it up?

Oh sure you can avoid pvp by staying in town and just macroing. But if you want to make a gold piece or two you have to leave the town and once you do, you are free game.

Non religious people can pvp by joining a religion. Or maybe make a religion of murderers (outside of Tek) and still keep it with the religions.

Restricting PVP to religions does make sense in an RP world. Most of us eek out our lives in a more or less safe world. It's the religious fanatics that want to kill each other off. The others that cause strife by killing that isn't religiously motivated are imprisoned by the law.

Yeah newbies can hunt in Despise. But if they venture out of that dungeon besides by the portal they can be robbed/killed.

Religions aren't only for the tome users. They can have mages and warriors in their ranks/colors. Not sure why you say it will take pvp away from non tome users. It will just categorize them into the people that pvp.

It just makes sense. It's far easier to control and monitor if only religions are pvping.

[Demian]

Well it's obvious you haven't been around indeed. Like I said, you don't have to PvP if you choose not to. There are no robbers these days. And even if there were, fine, it's a part of the shard. You can always find some other shard to play on if you only want to be a part of certain aspects of the game. But the truth is pangaea has a little of everything. And most people are happy with that.

Restricting PvP only to religions would destroy a lot of the RP possibilities that we currently have. And for what reason? So players would be easier to monitor? Not everyone who wants to PvP wants to do it by the rules of a religion, but instead create individual RP for it by making a guild. And do tell how it makes sense RP-wise that if you're not a part of a religion you cannot be killed by anyone? Sounds like you're only trying to make this shard into something that it isn't, for some personal gain.

[Haley]

Well it's obvious you haven't been around indeed. Like I said, you don't have to PvP if you choose not to. There are no robbers these days. And even if there were, fine, it's a part of the shard. You can always find some other shard to play on if you only want to be a part of certain aspects of the game. But the truth is pangaea has a little of everything. And most people are happy with that.

Restricting PvP only to religions would destroy a lot of the RP possibilities that we currently have. And for what reason? So players would be easier to monitor? Not everyone who wants to PvP wants to do it by the rules of a religion, but instead create individual RP for it by making a guild. And do tell how it makes sense RP-wise that if you're not a part of a religion you cannot be killed by anyone? Sounds like you're only trying to make this shard into something that it isn't, for some personal gain.

Yes it is obvious that I haven't been around since I said pretty much that in the first sentence on my prior post. As far as playing on another shard, yep I can do that but I thought this post was supposed to discuss ideas on how to deal with "The ridiculous state of PvP". I could be wrong but it sounds like there is a problem with the current pvp system and I was putting in my two cents towards the topic.

Restricting PvP to only religions wouldn't "destroy a lot of the RP possibilities. It might get rid of some but not a lot. And yes that way it would be easier to monitor. That is one of the issues being brought up. It seems like you are more upset that you can't gank/grief anyone you want than trying to fix a problem that the GMs/Admin have brought up for discussion.

I offered up an alternate option for those who want to PVP without having to follow a religion's guidelines. I also didn't say that if you're not part of a religion you can't be killed by anyone. That's when Law drops the magic prison on the ones disobeying the laws of the land.

Really? I am "trying to make this shard into something that it isn't, for some personal gain" I offered up suggestions on how to fix the pathetic state PVP is in. If there are clear cut rules and guidelines there will be less to monitor and deal with for the GMs.

[James Blackburn]

Well it's obvious you haven't been around indeed. Like I said, you don't have to PvP if you choose not to. There are no robbers these days. And even if there were, fine, it's a part of the shard. You can always find some other shard to play on if you only want to be a part of certain aspects of the game. But the truth is pangaea has a little of everything. And most people are happy with that.

Restricting PvP only to religions would destroy a lot of the RP possibilities that we currently have. And for what reason? So players would be easier to monitor? Not everyone who wants to PvP wants to do it by the rules of a religion, but instead create individual RP for it by making a guild. And do tell how it makes sense RP-wise that if you're not a part of a religion you cannot be killed by anyone? Sounds like you're only trying to make this shard into something that it isn't, for some personal gain.

Yes it is obvious that I haven't been around since I said pretty much that in the first sentence on my prior post. As far as playing on another shard, yep I can do that but I thought this post was supposed to discuss ideas on how to deal with "The ridiculous state of PvP". I could be wrong but it sounds like there is a problem with the current pvp system and I was putting in my two cents towards the topic.

Restricting PvP to only religions wouldn't "destroy a lot of the RP possibilities. It might get rid of some but not a lot. And yes that way it would be easier to monitor. That is one of the issues being brought up. It seems like you are more upset that you can't gank/grief anyone you want than trying to fix a problem that the GMs/Admin have brought up for discussion.

I offered up an alternate option for those who want to PVP without having to follow a religion's guidelines. I also didn't say that if you're not part of a religion you can't be killed by anyone. That's when Law drops the magic prison on the ones disobeying the laws of the land.

Really? I am "trying to make this shard into something that it isn't, for some personal gain" I offered up suggestions on how to fix the pathetic state PVP is in. If there are clear cut rules and guidelines there will be less to monitor and deal with for the GMs.

the thing is that non religion classes aren't build for being in religions, if you join religion with baba for example you have to bug someone every fight to bless you and things like that, and if non religions aren't allowed to fight anymore that creates bunch of useless chars people most likely won't log anymore

[Demian]

Yes it is obvious that I haven't been around since I said pretty much that in the first sentence on my prior post. As far as playing on another shard, yep I can do that but I thought this post was supposed to discuss ideas on how to deal with "The ridiculous state of PvP". I could be wrong but it sounds like there is a problem with the current pvp system and I was putting in my two cents towards the topic.

There are no problems with the PvP system. The only problem was that religions could so easily war neutral hunting guilds, which the reviewed rules made not so easy.

Restricting PvP to only religions wouldn't "destroy a lot of the RP possibilities. It might get rid of some but not a lot. And yes that way it would be easier to monitor. That is one of the issues being brought up. It seems like you are more upset that you can't gank/grief anyone you want than trying to fix a problem that the GMs/Admin have brought up for discussion.

So you admit it gets rid of some, although that is debateable whether it's a lot or "some". Why should we take anything away from the game that destroys RP possibilities and thus restricts your characters? And honestly, there are no problems with PvP, the rules were changed on warring guilds and now you get punished for making groundless accusations, which reduces the staffs workload. And just so you know, I can't gank anyone I want atm anyway. I don't have any red characters.

I offered up an alternate option for those who want to PVP without having to follow a religion's guidelines.

You offered an option that gathers all the non-religious PvPers into 1 guild, thus you completely disregarded RP. Not everyone wants to simply just fight, people want to pick their sides and fight for the reasons that fits their characters' RP. You only want to put everyone whos interested in PvP into a single group and ignore all the possible RP reasons people have for PvPing.

I also didn't say that if you're not part of a religion you can't be killed by anyone. That's when Law drops the magic prison on the ones disobeying the laws of the land.

You want Law to stone them, thus taking them out of the game for a long time. How is that better than the current system? That's one certain way to lose players from the shard.

[Ivan]

Just leave the speculating for gm's, they've already introduced a new rules and soon the .halt command will be upgraded from current.

Everything ill be ok.... I just hope the religions would be lowered to the level of those who are not in religion.