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[Kent Strider]

Maybe both the robbers and the anti-robbers could be neuterized:
- looting only gold and gems
- no Wronging
- no Stoning

This could ideally lead to regular PvP with no hard feelings after.

This is a good idea if the rules stay as are.

[Lukas]

By closing down Tekstone, Don't you stop almost all religion fights? or your hoping that the fact that HP's can change the way their religion is going will fix that perhaps make nature and law fight and such?.

Answer: 3. givng the Hp in each religion to rewrite the goels and how the religions should act.

Well in all honestly I think Law just became null and void. Imperial doesn't mess around in Brit very much and robbers is the only thing they were chasing, with the new robber rules that means there will most likely be no robbers meaning Law will do what now?And poor tekstone, well I am sure Darian would like to put his 80 piety towards a law tome..hehe

Make the regligions as you want to, you right some idaes? you have 3 religions to work with, do as you want to.
FX: why not make Law the good religion on brit map,and hunt down robbers. And rob on malas.
Then Imp can be the good religion on malas, and hunt down robbers/law there. and rob on brit land
And nature can be passive,or hunte down all ppl there are killing animals.

[Neon]

If you are a murder you can only loot gems and money. (That is not that bad i think)

But if you are a thief you can still snoop.
You will still be able to snoop what you can get out of the bag.

There are not many thiefs on the shard. but now there are a reason for training one. (I think)

Yours
Neon

[Raven Darkblade]

Maybe both the robbers and the anti-robbers could be neuterized:
- looting only gold and gems
- no Wronging
- no Stoning

This could ideally lead to regular PvP with no hard feelings after.

This is very good idea indeed., maybe add 1 random item as well, but hey thats just my own personaly opinion, as people rarely run around with much gold, and on the other behalf make a limit of 200.000 gold loot, as people having more during gold transfer from one place to another or buying house shouldent loose 2 millions IMO.
Im against robbers has to be aproved by the staff... I mean its a free world, if one chooses to become a robber its not up to gms to say yes or no, thats not needed, and it would be favorism if you said no to one but yes to another, as you as basic should assume he know how to proberly rp it.

There are though still something I dont understand in the post from the meeting.

1: Is people keeping their peity at religiontransfer or not? and is every getting a chance on this? I still think making all able to make one transfer with peity to be the best way to solve this, and it would make people actually play another religion the might wanna, or might considered to play for long time.

2: Im against the hp gets 60 peity, too much hp changing as it is now so 50 is more than anough to start with, unless if you meant the new limit should be 60 and not 80 as it is now. In that case im also against it as it would be pretty much over in no time how much peity you can basically "work" for. I think the way you can peity atm is good as it is. (well maybe let HP be able to grant 40 peity, but other that that it shouldent change imo, read: dont fix what basically is working.

3: I totally understand that the current staff also want to play, but there are some things that really shouldent be possible imo... first of all im pretty sure every gm can see veins location pretty much just by poping by(same as seeing spawnrunes), so if youre a gm, its very easy to assume it will get alot easier for you to "find" miningspots with miners/friends, where others have used countless of hours and assasykit to map those veins, not sure how you gonna prevent this, as it proberly allready too late, hell that would proberly be the first thing i would ever tjeck out if i could both things (where did that evil gm hid those onyx) Either way I guess its a matter of trust, but then again the history of pangaea kinda speaks for itself on that matter. I know ill proberly bring som havoc with this issue, and get responses like mate "one thing is that YOU would abuse it, that doesnt mean the staff would"... Maybe not, but im pretty sure if a gm had a smith or miner for that matter and knew where there WASENT any veins he sure as hell would use 2 days assaying that spot. Anyway this matter is only a small matter, but still its there.

4: You making youre acc counselar accs? does that mean you stop being gm's or does you mean that you just make youre playing acc counselar, so you can log gm acc if we get page about something that a gm has to fix? (hope its the last as otherwise we would have no gm's)

Anyway thats all for my point of view, and thanks for letting us know about meeting as fast you did.

Sincerely Raven

[Lukas]

1: Is people keeping their peity at religiontransfer or not? and is every getting a chance on this? I still think making all able to make one transfer with peity to be the best way to solve this, and it would make people actually play another religion the might wanna, or might considered to play for long time.

2: Im against the hp gets 60 peity, too much hp changing as it is now so 50 is more than anough to start with, unless if you meant the new limit should be 60 and not 80 as it is now. In that case im also against it as it would be pretty much over in no time how much peity you can basically "work" for. I think the way you can peity atm is good as it is. (well maybe let HP be able to grant 40 peity, but other that that it shouldent change imo, read: dont fix what basically is working.

Changing the way piety works, giving the members of a religion a posible to change religion, if they want to with out the piety timer.
one way this could be done it is giving each hp the chance to give his members up to 40 in piety.
it will look kind of like this.
Hp 60 piety The one with most piety
Elder priest 50 piety. 12 mounth in a religion +Good RP and the HP can ask for it, and the GM can gant it.
Normal member 40 piety. 4-5 mounth with good RP and the HP will grant it to you
been in the order for 3 mounth 30 piety.
and how you gain the piety in the start would stay the same.

my idea

4: You making youre acc counselar accs? does that mean you stop being gm's or does you mean that you just make youre playing acc counselar, so you can log gm acc if we get page about something that a gm has to fix? (hope its the last as otherwise we would have no gm's)

It is the last.
The play acc will be counselar, so if really needed, we can get GM's online.

[Irming]

3: I totally understand that the current staff also want to play, but there are some things that really shouldent be possible imo... first of all im pretty sure every gm can see veins location pretty much just by poping by(same as seeing spawnrunes), so if youre a gm, its very easy to assume it will get alot easier for you to "find" miningspots with miners/friends, where others have used countless of hours and assasykit to map those veins, not sure how you gonna prevent this, as it proberly allready too late, hell that would proberly be the first thing i would ever tjeck out if i could both things (where did that evil gm hid those onyx) Either way I guess its a matter of trust, but then again the history of pangaea kinda speaks for itself on that matter. I know ill proberly bring som havoc with this issue, and get responses like mate "one thing is that YOU would abuse it, that doesnt mean the staff would"... Maybe not, but im pretty sure if a gm had a smith or miner for that matter and knew where there WASENT any veins he sure as hell would use 2 days assaying that spot. Anyway this matter is only a small matter, but still its there.

4: You making youre acc counselar accs? does that mean you stop being gm's or does you mean that you just make youre playing acc counselar, so you can log gm acc if we get page about something that a gm has to fix? (hope its the last as otherwise we would have no gm's)

Anyway thats all for my point of view, and thanks for letting us know about meeting as fast you did.

Sincerely Raven

A few comments to you Raven.

Your partly right.. as a GM you can see ore spawns and so on, but not using the game interface, you would need desktop access to the server, and need to understand the script configuration files to do so. Any of us that has that kind of access will be able to abuse us IF we decide to do so. In the end, it comes down to trust - but it also comes down to another thing. We as staff, loves Pangaea, both as it is now, but also how we hope to make it if we can get enough players. We wont step down and only be GM on the shard, since experience have shown what that does. After 2-3 months, people get bored, and stop logging on. Thats not what we want, so we have decided that the current staff will be allowed to play as well. We wont accept any new GM under these terms, since it is a matter of big trust - and the current staff list is a tight group of Reallife friends. We decided to let this out in the open, so people can relate to it, and if they cant live with it - they can leave now, because thats how it is. Of course the penalty to abusing is stict and harsh, both player account and GM account will be permanently banned, along with any other accounts that have been involved in the abuse.

The counselor status means, that any of the GMs PLAYER accounts, will be made to counselors, this way if no GM is online, just make a counselor request, and if a GM is playing, he will adresse the issue as soon as his time allows it. Do not expect him to log off and help you right away, he/she might be in a situation that requires a bit of time to log off (hunt etc.)

I hope this adressed some of your questions, just ask and Ill gladly explain more if required

Irming

[Quintoz]

Irming, the fact that you all are RL friends is also the problem, becouse IF somebody decides to abuse his powers and look up say Veins for mining.
You will maybe remove him from staff, maybe even ban his player account, but I highly doubt that you will perm-ban him and there for he can just come back make a smith and GM him in 1 week and then make a few 100k and then just make a new fighter/mage and mule and get his skills and armors up.

Becouse unless your NOT human, you will want to help him, but still punish him for being wrong, you will ban his accounts, but let him start over on a new one, this is why Pangaea never alowed staff to have players, becouse they would get influensed and have a harder time making decition.

This is something I am strongly against, if you are not ready to give up playing and leaving your chars behind, then perhaps you shall re-evaluat your decition to become a GM.

[Troy]

Having a player account and GM account is something that is abusable however the admins are very trustable and do everything by the books. They have came back to a shard they love wanting to help keep it running, I mean they are using their time and money to help allow you all to play but they just are really still attached to the shard playerwise which imo is a good thing becuase it could help stop burnout and could help prevent what happens to most of the gms where they stop logging in. Also right now i believe it is greater to have as many people playing as there can possibly be plus with them playing I have seen quite a few older players come back to play.

Also on this note as they have said they will be under all the rules and wont be able to handle and incident that involves their character. I know it seems weird but I assure you that they are taking every precaution to make sure that they stay legit and I am sure if there comes a problem at some point which I dont see they will handle it.

[Tina Gex]

I'm sorry ti inform you, but the admins will keep there accounts, both player and admin, we are here to have fun and i know the admins, they wont abuse it.
We wont only have our admins account, since it will be borring after a few months and if we dosent have any gm/admins online, well then just close the shard down, and when we do it this way, we will have a server for a long time online.

Alona

[Maximilian Lhoth]

Don't we all "metagame" anyway - for example, I know from my former experience where Despise is located at, what to expect to meet there (lizardmen and ratmen). Therefore my new characters will just go to Despise. No need to ask for directions from anyone.

As long as it doesn't definitely spoil the atmosphere and happens "in the background" it's quite fine. And I do not go suggesting GM's would do that more than others.