Monks piety in religions

[Kolpitor]

Alright fellaw, as i hear yestaday that admins are doing piety changes for monks.

witch go like each religion will have only one 40piety monk called "head monk" and rest of monks will be dropped at 30.

Personally i can say monks with 30piety can't do muts they will be more like worthless at anygroup, because they have 85bace medit witch will make rites hard to cast and theyr not stronges spell casters.
And that piety drop will nefr monks kinda low in religions, they have studdeds, 85medit and 65eval they more like intel users. So i will say it will be good to kept monks piety as it's now.

druid have druid spells
necros have their chants
mages have 100 eval
so why take monks away their special power

Monks have been rare char on shard whole time and this won't make ppls even think monk if you can pick from druid, necro or mage.

Lets make peacefull diskussion and see how we can hande this witout nefring weak class even more

Thanks

[Simmo]

Same, why the hell is that going to be changed!?
They aint some "tanks" even with 40 piety.
With 30 piety / 85 medi, most of the rites are useless.
Damn lets be honest. ALL of em. You hurt more with spells, you bless more with spells.
Even something you can do with rite, it will last for 20sec.(aura, silence) Dont know about cultist special stuff.


You wanna get priest nerfed to get other classes playing but instead you nerf all tome handling chars?!
Nonsense.

[Glarundis]

ok so here are my thoughts
personally, i think you should have one head monk with 50piety and the rest at 40
AND they should have 100 med
yeah blabla, oh noes, he doesn't want monks not to be nerfed!he actually wants them to be boosted!
well, monks are supposed to be rite users and magic users whereas priests are the some for rites but melee
now, if monks are to cast as well as priests, don't you still think priests melee is way way better than monk's spelling abilities?
yes it is

ofc it would be different if priests were actually priests in a way that their rites would be super cool but they were not very good in melee


now
if monks have less piety their rites suck even more, they already have only 85 med
and their spells are not great since they have 65 eval int

if monks get nerfed like this those few monks that exist may just go druid or necro..


i'm with simmo
instead of nerfind priests we are nerfing other tome users? :S

[Boris]

This isn't a change, it should of been like this from the start.

Therefore instead of talking about a nerf, you should be talking about boosting.

- Boris

[Johnny Walac]

I think the staff should seriously consider giving monks 100 meditation.

[Akkarrin]

.... why?

not broken dont fix it?

[Mike]

This isn't a change, it should of been like this from the start.

Therefore instead of talking about a nerf, you should be talking about boosting.

- Boris

Mr. Semantics!

We should give monks a maximum of 40 piety and they should be able to have trustee spots to get 50. Not that I would give those who want to nerf priests any unecessary merit or consideration, but monks are what they would like priests to be: religious spellcasters and supporters. They're not overpowered in pvp and they are certainly useful in pvm but mainly as part of a group.

[Glarundis]

boris how is this a boost and not a nerf :S
we kind of use mana for everything we do, spells and rites, therefore we should have 100 med.
not to mention, we should have 100 med because we should cast rites almost as well as priests do
what are we going to do with this when we're not the best at spelling and our rites are just a bit better than a knight?
monk was never good at anything but it was able to mix spells and rites
but he needs to be somewhat good at both then :S

[Boris]

I said you should be asking of boosting, because there haven't been a nerf. There has simply been an error in the system.

- Boris

[Glarundis]

ok so lets assume monks were supposed to have 30 piety all along.
so 30 piety it stays
let's talk about boosts then (we do need, there are hardly any monks. don't you think the amount of ppl using this or that char shows that it's probably too good or too bad?)

i think monks should have either 100 med (so they are better at using rites, just not so much like high piety priests)
or 85 eval int (so they are better at casting spells)

if we have neither, then we'll suck more than we suck atm

now there's another monk issue i'd like to talk about

we have a lot of statcap.true.but we are probably the only class in the game that uses the 3 stats
we need str not to get killed easily.we need int, because, well, we cast spells and rites.we (should) need dex because we have 100 wrestling and anatomy healing, blabla, suggesting we are kind of fighters too?so we need just a bit of dex to be able to melee.
now, i don't know, but there's the option you just forget about meleeing so you don't care about dex and it's all fine. but then, why do we have wrestling?and if we do, why isn't it more useful?too bad it's one tile weapon. but maybe it could be adjusted into something a bit more useful.we wouldn't be tanks anyway, we cannot have anything better than studdeds.
since we have anatomy and healing we could use a bit melee and run around and heal, so we can use staves if we want to 2tile. so perhaps 100 mace?i really don't like it, because monks should just use wrestling.

so my ideas are

either 100 med or 85 eval int.
adjustment to wrestling if possible?