Monks piety in religions

[Kolpitor]

As i know monks are normal members. I have hear ages ago that knights and rangers max is 30 and they have lock on it, but never hear it's same for monks aswell, maybe there should be lock at monks 30piety aswell and from admins permission head monk get 40, thisway mistakes like that could't happen. Alot of information was gone when forum got changes some years ago. And i bet all those info is not saved nowhere. maybe there was something aboot pietys and i have missed it.

Since when monk is not normal member of religion?

the rules has allways been since we made the change 1 monk with 40 piety , that the hp from the relion nature , gave 40 piety to more then one is a mistake , and i am thinking about punishim , because he did know this.
Alteran

http://www.knoechel.dk/pangaea/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=51

3. givng the Hp in each religion to rewrite the goels and how the religions should act.
Changing the way piety works, giving the members of a religion a posible to change religion, if they want to with out the piety timer.
one way this could be done it is giving each hp the chance to give his members up to 40 in piety.
it will look kind of like this.
Hp 60 piety
Elder priest 50 piety.
Normal member 40 piety.
been in the order for 3 mounth 30 piety.
and how you gain the piety in the start would stay the same.

If i have done mistake, sorry aboot it. I have been following this stuff at shard annouments.
I could't seen any other rule aboot piety at forum or wepsite.

[Glarundis]

Something goes wrong in your head and you end up thinking that a priest should be a monk without a spellbook.

i know that that way priests may look that, but the thing is.
priests should melee just a tiny bit better and have more piety/better rite users
monks would have spells

i'm sorry, but priests shouldn't be tanks, they should be clerics or something like that?weak, strong at healing, strong at casting.not strong at everything

[Johnny Walac]

Something goes wrong in your head and you end up thinking that a priest should be a monk without a spellbook.

i know that that way priests may look that, but the thing is.
priests should melee just a tiny bit better and have more piety/better rite users
monks would have spells

i'm sorry, but priests shouldn't be tanks, they should be clerics or something like that?weak, strong at healing, strong at casting.not strong at everything

And where does it say that priest should be weak?

[Simmo]

Priests would probably go out-date if they are weak fighers and more rite casters.
Takes heck of a lot time to cast a rite, and u cant precast it.

[Mike]

Something goes wrong in your head and you end up thinking that a priest should be a monk without a spellbook.

i know that that way priests may look that, but the thing is.
priests should melee just a tiny bit better and have more piety/better rite users
monks would have spells

i'm sorry, but priests shouldn't be tanks, they should be clerics or something like that?weak, strong at healing, strong at casting.not strong at everything

D&D Clerics are melee machines, so if that's what you mean you're out of your element again. You do not understand the role of priests on this shard. Monks can have more mana and equal piety to priests, but weaker armor and weapons. That divides it nicely between caster/support and tank.

[Glarundis]

ok just thought of something else about monks
seeing as we are trying to change the piety system to somehow balance priests so that there are other chars in religions
with this, monks will have less piety that high members and less med, which means we don't use rites as well
the other thing that is distinctive about priests and monks, is that priests use weapons, and monks use spells
to suit the so called balance, one would expect other chars to become a bit closer to priests
but are our 65 eval spells any match to the power of priests' melee ability?
in fact, we should even be better spellers than priests are fighters, for the sake of balance, considering that on the rite side, we are losing (less meditation)
i know boris said that there was no boost coming for monks, but considering we have less rite power, isn't it obvious that in order to balance we need a boost in our magic side?

[Mike]

ok just thought of something else about monks
seeing as we are trying to change the piety system to somehow balance priests so that there are other chars in religions
with this, monks will have less piety that high members and less med, which means we don't use rites as well
the other thing that is distinctive about priests and monks, is that priests use weapons, and monks use spells
to suit the so called balance, one would expect other chars to become a bit closer to priests
but are our 65 eval spells any match to the power of priests' melee ability?
in fact, we should even be better spellers than priests are fighters, for the sake of balance, considering that on the rite side, we are losing (less meditation)
i know boris said that there was no boost coming for monks, but considering we have less rite power, isn't it obvious that in order to balance we need a boost in our magic side?

If Priests and Monks were both capped at 40 piety that would balance it out. Monks can pull dirty stunts in PVP due that spellbook, maybe it should be reinfoced with more Eval Int but that's going off topic.

[Glarundis]

i understand that we can have some nice combos, but our rites are already less powerful (85 med) and our spells not enough good to make it up to the melee power of priest
ofc this is not about piety anymore in this case, but i didn't feel like starting a new topic about monks.maybe i should?

[Melkor]

Perhaps make 100 wrestling interesting, give monks special gloves that are imbued with elemental damage.

[Quintoz]

Monks are not by any means bad. It's the player that plays it like a priest and not a monk.