Old Piety-system back?

[Biao]

I voted no.

GM´s cant really keep track of who RP and who dont.
When i was HP of nature i recommended couple people, that really deserved the 40 piety and that actually passed most of their online time RP. But gms never gaved them the peity they deserved. There is always the cases where people dont deserve piety ofc.

[Darian Darkmind]

I'd say keep the current piety system so that people who aren't that good at RP still have a chance to get some piety in a reasonable amount of time and also evaluate people in GM forum for higher piety based on their RP efforts, so that indeed a player with great RP efforts could eventually achieve more piety than the HP.

They could still get it up to 30 and quite easily up to 40 like it used to be. At the moment you're stuck with 40 with no way to get higher. Why wouldn't you want to change it? I don't understand that logic. Those who put time in RP and see higher effort than the rest should be rewarded a better position in the religion. At the moment they are all at 40 and basically putting any effort in it is unnecessary. This is also the reason why I don't play Darian. Why should I? I already have 40 which suck a lot (Down from 80, yey). It does not motivate me at all.

I voted no.

GM´s cant really keep track of who RP and who dont.
When i was HP of nature i recommended couple people, that really deserved the 40 piety and that actually passed most of their online time RP. But gms never gaved them the peity they deserved. There is always the cases where people dont deserve piety ofc.

That's a common mistake you make. The same applies to EVERYONE and therefore it's not a problem. GMs cant see everyone all the time, yet many of us, Law, Imperial, Tekstone and Nature a like had up to 50 or even 60 piety through RP. Again, having a chance to go above 40 is better than not having it. Even if it takes two years to earn 50, it's better than to NEVER earn 50. The RP is noticed, but simply because you do some higher RP event once doesn't mean you deserve the piety. It's the activity. Took me 7 years to achieve 80 piety. Also, actually, if you've recommended more piety for some players and GMs don't know his RP, it only means it's not shown enough. It means it doesn't catch anyone's attention. Why should such "basic" RP be rewarded when it's a requirement of being in a religion?

If this poll actually works and shows the correct outcome I am very surprised of it. People are rather stuck at 40 rather than possibly gain more in time, simply because they are afraid to RP? Logic, where? There isn't any. Unbelievable.

[Darian Darkmind]

To me it seems like people rather take the certain 40 piety and stick with it, rather than see the little effort, take the little time and risk to try and earn the piety through RP. That should say something of the religions RP-status by itself.

[Kent Strider]

I agree with Darian, imo its just a way for those who aren't very good at RP to just barely get by. In order to be in a religion your RP should be at least above average.

[Bruce]

To me it seems like people rather take the certain 40 piety and stick with it, rather than see the little effort, take the little time and risk to try and earn the piety through RP. That should say something of the religions RP-status by itself.

I can understand where you coming from... but the problem is dude that most who voted for no doesnt want one or two classes to be indestructible.. the current system is abit more balance, but I do agree piety should award from RP ingame....

[Glarundis]

here's the problem
it's not good that you can't get past 40 no matter what (unless you're hp or sic)
of course ppl want to aim for higher standards.

but do i want to see a group of 3,4 OP priests owning everyone?while everyone else can only watch, or make a priest and RP?nah. that sucks even more.

basically, with that high piety you are simply better than everyone else. and it sucks to force people to make a priest so they can compete with you.
that's the problem with piety. it only goes for some classes.
even now, with some rites and stuff, it's a major major advantage for pvm and pvp while others must suck it up and play it the hard way.

i for one, dream of the day where religions will be able to be destroyed by a religion.
what will make the religion be strong is the members they have, the members they seduce through their rp, and how the members play.

the guard thing, where it won't be able to be used to kill monsters, and the fact that it'll start being a defensive rite is one the things that should've happened many years ago.
religions have it easier than everyone else.


i understand you, darian, but allowing for more piety will make some classes even stronger. everyone else can rp even better, but if it's not a priest char, no more piety = no more power for you = too bad. and that's not good. look at how many priests are, and how many non-priests are


i'd rather have the other piety system that was suggested, the 10, 20, 30 piety system (ofc adjusted), where headpriest has a slight advantage over everyone, and where a priest isn't better than anyone else.

surely you can say. "but hey, i rp'ed, i deserve to be more powerful." why?the best warrior rp'er is as strong as the worst rp'er (skill wise).

such a large scale (10-80) will totally unbalance priests vs other classes again

[Boris]

The problem is that piety was changed once, wich messed up the whole system in a long run. There never should of been a change and the way piety was granted a few years ago was a joke. Afterwards we've been fixing and balancing the system with baby steps, without too drastic changes. So if you compare the system we had a few years ago to the current system, this is much better. It's not as good as the old-old system, but then again, I think it's hard to go back to the "ancient" ways. People have had it way too easy for a long time and a big change simply is too much. I think that explains the poll result quite well.

Personally I think 40 is enough power for any priest. Perhaps your vitual penis might take a hit, but a priest with 40 piety can challenge any other class PvP/PvM-wise - and win. I don't think 40 piety is "just 40 piety". It's power allright.

Also I'd like to remind, that HP's have the power to act like GM's in the past. If a timer shows you can be granted piety, it doesn't mean a HP has to grant piety.

YOU DETERMINE THE LEVEL OF YOUR RELIGIONS RP.

- Boris

[Darian Darkmind]

Boris, true, the HP doesn't need to give the piety. However, once one's time is up for 40 piety, he will get it pretty soon because, first, the HP wants the religion to grow in strength, and second and most importantly the HP wants the constant whine and begging for piety end. As someone once with the only power to grant 40 to other players, I know. I had many 50 piety priests and even a few 60 piety priests. I had given some 40 piety to those I saw had spent a long time in the religion. And then I had those new faces such as Quintoz and a like who thought they deserved 40 piety simply because the timer hit zero. I, however, saw the piety had to be earned, not given, just like I and everyone else before and after me had earned.

You say you can't make a big change, instead take baby-steps to fix the problems caused by Alteran's piety run. I understand that, but sometimes big changes are needed in the long run.

Put everyone's piety to 10, HPs included. Have a HP vote where everyone's vote count as one - everyone with equal 10 piety. Then have everyone's piety application up for review which determines which piety is granted to them. Then live on.

Might take some work and time from GM's part, reviewing all the applications, but in the end, in the long run it would at least be fixed.

Religions turned to a joke and have been one ever since Pangaea's change in management. Yet, religions are the biggest part in this shard and thus need to be fixed.

[Boris]

You say you can't make a big change, instead take baby-steps to fix the problems caused by Alteran's piety run. I understand that, but sometimes big changes are needed in the long run.

It's eventually up to the playerbase. We won't be forcing another system just because a minority wants a change.

Yes, even this current system is based on a pile of shit - but we've done wonders with it.

- Boris

[Mackean]

you should be given piety boosts via rp ig and not on forums because anyone can write a long ass story in the rp story section which no one will probably read for a piety boost but their ig rp sucks, an example would be the "die in the name of dennac" spamage used a couple years back in a britain seige :/