I started a political blog

[Maximilian Lhoth]

You're a guy with a lot of spare time and high intelligence, read up on the Frankfurt school and cultural marxism.

university "pussy" leftist youth is something that has the tendency to make me see red.

That is not what this is about at all, just google it.

I rather study finnish law and use my knowledge to stop the illegal practices of finnish institutes.

[xHarlequinx]

So, one of the recurring themes here (and generally speaking) is people whining about immigrants.

In Canada, there are some specific programs that are geared specifically to new immigrants (e.g. there are language training/intergration programs that are run by non-profits that receive funding from the government), but overall, welfare is welfare, whether you're an immigrant or not. The other thing you see as well (from my observations), is that the immigrants who are on welfare are maybe more likely to cheat; however, this is largely a result of their cultural background where everyone cheats the system. Plus they are often in a better position to cheat (overseas incomes, hidden money, etc.) and I would suspect that most of the "white" people on welfare would do the same (as would most of us, if there is low chance of getting caught and higher benefit).

So can anyone give me any specific examples (including links to official pages) about all this extra money that immigrants get in your respective countries? I'd also be curious to know what the thinking is behind these policies.

[Mike]

So, one of the recurring themes here (and generally speaking) is people whining about immigrants.

In Canada, there are some specific programs that are geared specifically to new immigrants (e.g. there are language training/intergration programs that are run by non-profits that receive funding from the government), but overall, welfare is welfare, whether you're an immigrant or not. The other thing you see as well (from my observations), is that the immigrants who are on welfare are maybe more likely to cheat; however, this is largely a result of their cultural background where everyone cheats the system. Plus they are often in a better position to cheat (overseas incomes, hidden money, etc.) and I would suspect that most of the "white" people on welfare would do the same (as would most of us, if there is low chance of getting caught and higher benefit).

So can anyone give me any specific examples (including links to official pages) about all this extra money that immigrants get in your respective countries? I'd also be curious to know what the thinking is behind these policies.

As for the purposes of mass immigration and all artificial means to support it, I refer again to cultural marxism and the Frankfurt school.

[xHarlequinx]

So, one of the recurring themes here (and generally speaking) is people whining about immigrants.

In Canada, there are some specific programs that are geared specifically to new immigrants (e.g. there are language training/intergration programs that are run by non-profits that receive funding from the government), but overall, welfare is welfare, whether you're an immigrant or not. The other thing you see as well (from my observations), is that the immigrants who are on welfare are maybe more likely to cheat; however, this is largely a result of their cultural background where everyone cheats the system. Plus they are often in a better position to cheat (overseas incomes, hidden money, etc.) and I would suspect that most of the "white" people on welfare would do the same (as would most of us, if there is low chance of getting caught and higher benefit).

So can anyone give me any specific examples (including links to official pages) about all this extra money that immigrants get in your respective countries? I'd also be curious to know what the thinking is behind these policies.

As for the purposes of mass immigration and all artificial means to support it, I refer again to cultural marxism and the Frankfurt school.

Least contributing post ever. These are complex theories (that, from my limited exposure to them, are not worth the time to try and understand). If you want to make yourself seem smart by referring to them, please at least give a summary of your understanding of them.

[xHarlequinx]

Also, having worked with politicians on a regular basis, (at least in Canada), a.) they do have a lot of power/control of what happens in the government and b.) are not up to date on their complex critical theory. To imply that there is some sort of neo-Marxist conspiracy behind immigration policies is... not particularly believable.

Might be different in Europe...

[Mike]

So, one of the recurring themes here (and generally speaking) is people whining about immigrants.

In Canada, there are some specific programs that are geared specifically to new immigrants (e.g. there are language training/intergration programs that are run by non-profits that receive funding from the government), but overall, welfare is welfare, whether you're an immigrant or not. The other thing you see as well (from my observations), is that the immigrants who are on welfare are maybe more likely to cheat; however, this is largely a result of their cultural background where everyone cheats the system. Plus they are often in a better position to cheat (overseas incomes, hidden money, etc.) and I would suspect that most of the "white" people on welfare would do the same (as would most of us, if there is low chance of getting caught and higher benefit).

So can anyone give me any specific examples (including links to official pages) about all this extra money that immigrants get in your respective countries? I'd also be curious to know what the thinking is behind these policies.

As for the purposes of mass immigration and all artificial means to support it, I refer again to cultural marxism and the Frankfurt school.

Least contributing post ever. These are complex theories (that, from my limited exposure to them, are not worth the time to try and understand). If you want to make yourself seem smart by referring to them, please at least give a summary of your understanding of them.

If you don't want to read up, that's up to you. There's no prestige in it for me either way.

[xHarlequinx]

As for the purposes of mass immigration and all artificial means to support it, I refer again to cultural marxism and the Frankfurt school.

Least contributing post ever. These are complex theories (that, from my limited exposure to them, are not worth the time to try and understand). If you want to make yourself seem smart by referring to them, please at least give a summary of your understanding of them.

If you don't want to read up, that's up to you. There's no prestige in it for me either way.

Sorry Mike, to understand my point, you'd need to read up on your Foucault and Boal.

[Maximilian Lhoth]

back to me not working thingy.

t's very common to be unemployed male of my age in finland, especially in Lapland area (30% unemployed?), so i am not in the marginal... there are many people also who are in the following "activities"... they are not considered unemployed in statistics. it means the people who have "real" jobs, males, my age, in lapland, finland, are somewhat rare cases. i am one of many. The activities that make you not unemployed in statistics are listed here:

these would be rough translations but the terms are so ridiculous that is is no wonder these sound ridiculous:

- studying forever because they couldn't get a job with their previous school degree. we have people with 2 masters degress who cannot get a job.

- "rehabilitating work activity" (shit that does not produce anything, it just makes the statistics look better) = welfare money + 9 eur / day at "work activity", often 3 days a week, 5 hours. this is for the people who have been unemployed for more than 2 years OR are under 25 without vocational school degree

- "work life coaching" same as rehab work activity but more hours at work, more sensible jobs often, and also the welfare + 9 eur / day 5 times a week 6 hours a day ( 193 eur extra net income a month approx compared to just welfare money). this is what i've been in for 6 months, i was IT helpdesk. it was economical depression, and i had no work experience, so i thought it is ok as a temporary solution... but not forever. i will not do this for 3 years. 6 months was enough, maybe later another 6? but not every fking year, anyway. its just explotation. and considering my mental health history in psych wards etc i am not like... prima stuff, employers avoid my kind.

- "internship"... basically the same as work life coaching, but for people under 25 and with no vocational school degree. same sh1t, but different name. also a bit more annoying to get the 9 eur / day as you need to ask for it from welfare office instead of getting it directly as a bonus in your unemployment benefits. which are easier to get than welfare money. less paperwork.

"work-force-political-courses" = listening to bullsh1t, serious bullsh1t, 9 eur a day extra too... been there, hated it, i completed the listen-to-bullshit part but refused to do slave work (9 eur a day explotation) stopped it and lost my unemployment benefits for 60 days, so i had to get my money from welfare office during those 60 days... then i started getting unemployment benefits again.

next visit to unemployment office for me is for a "rehabilitation psychologist.." heheh. i agreed to go there just to write an article about what it is like. i tend to record my "sessions" with System officials. It's an institute of the System so it's legal to record the stuff and even post it in the net. Personally I prefer to censor the names of people with BEEP sound in the recordings if I decide to publish them in the net as I don't want it to be personal against the individual worker there but more about criticizing the System itself.

people in these "activities" are not considered unemployed in the statistics, as I mentioned... so males my age in lapland, finland, are really often not in a "real" job.. as I already mentioned. i am no marginal seriously. older men tend to have jobs. i think it is because 70's, 80's were a good time to get a job and they got their jobs back then in which they still continue. in 80's i was only a child, i was born in 1983.

i am not saying it is morally right to not work but i think it is too much to ask from me to move to another town, cut my hair, pretend to be someone i am not, go to school, be in huge debt still not sure i could ever pay them... respect to those who work, but acceptance to those who do not work, as well, this is how i think it should go.

after 20 years there will be more people in the world, more humans. and half of the jobs will not exist. this is due to automatization and globalization. i don't see ludditism as a solution, I think a certain degree of socialism is the solution. Those who work should earn a higher standard of living but those who do not should be accepted as respected members of society too, but just they should have a lower standard of living than those who work.

[xHarlequinx]

Are you a respected member of society? Are you making some sort of contribution? Are you volunteering? Are you helping other people who working (for example, baby-sitting your brother's kids or whatever). Paying someone to sit at home all day and play video games (or worse, get drunk and party) is something that I think I personally would have more difficulty supporting, but otherwise I think you make a fair point.

All the programs you describe do seem kind of pointless... If there's no work to be done, you can rehabilitate people all you want, but there are still no jobs. Best bet is to setup programs to encourage people to start new businesses or to emigrate to other areas of the country (or other countries as countries like the Phillipines promote). Or also promoting teleworking, etc. that can be done from the more depressed areas.

[Maximilian Lhoth]

Paying someone to sit at home all day and play video games (or worse, get drunk and party) is something that I think I personally would have more difficulty supporting, but otherwise I think you make a fair point.

I have quit drinkingm completely
I have quit smoking completely too
Only illegal drug I would take is cannabis, but it does not make me feel so good, its mild stuff, I don't get anything out of it really, so I don't smoke cannabis, unless some buddy gives it for free just to be nice

Ultima Online is a rather healthy activity IMO, especially since I have ADHD and I definitely *need* to have to do something all the time. Oh the full list is:

"mixed anxiety/depressive disorder"
"obsessive compulsive disorder"
"attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder"
"maybe asperger tendencies"
"maybe borderline personality tendencies"
"bipolar type II or cyclothymic" <--- this one is what all my FRIENDS say, no doc has mentioned this

I could get to "disability" if I wanted to go thru all the bureoucracy but it is called "kuntoutustuki" ("rehabilitation support money") for people who are my age and requires some kind of listening to bullsh1t sessions but I don't know the details about that. I hate listening to bullsh1t that the officials of the System spam at me.

Only sh1t I take is the prescribed-by-psychiatrist stuff, but that is a heavy load of sh1t though:
- sertraline 100 mg / day
- zopiclone 0-7.5 mg / day
- alprazolam 0-1.5 mg / day
- quetiapine (25-50 mg a day, but I don't usually take it, it's for sleeping or hypomanic episodes only in my case)

I have, apparently, groupies ,even tho I don't even play in a band, so I guess I have some respect.

Post scriptum: f**k "eternal economic growth"

pps: no wonder .fi males kill themselves so often because they are not allowed to 1) boast if they have done something that gives them a reason to boast 2) be openly weak. sh1t male culture, sh1t land. i wanna move to denmark or some softer place. :p ... we gotta be silent. like we were in prison. in prisons and aloholic rehab homes the men have these characteristics of .fi males exaggerated, they are really silent guys.

besides you can even WORK in denmark in 2012 AND get some money off it because their employment policies are sooo much smarter than ours. higher welfare money, BUT also sh1tty employees can be kicked out easily. this is preferable IMO over .fi crap in which OLD f--kers.. I mean men who cannot hack their heads outta plastic bag are "information technology designers"...