Warriors

[Boris]

Warrior vs. Knight

• Warrior (compared to Knight)
  + 10 STR
  + 5 statscap
  + GM Fencing
  + GM Camping
  + GM Tactics
  + 40 Poisoning
  + Faster health regeneration (3 per tick)
  
  - 65 Healing
  - No religious benefits (piety)

As a summary, if you put the pros and cons together, it really isn't as bad as you may think. Knights have piety and it is a big factor. It will cross most (if not all) of the pros of Warriors, but generally there is a clear difference between these two classes and we tend to keep that. Warriors are win big, loose big. The lower healing is a struggle, but bandages, gheals and regeneration potions will help a lot. Outside of a battlefield camping can be used for healing purposes as well. Playing a bard is a good comparsion. You can waste 100+ gheals in one hunt. Yet, they have 0 healing, bones and a slower regeneration. If bards manage in close combat, it should be a piece of cake to Warriors. Surely it is all about "hit&run", but that's a tactic/a style to play, like any other.

One option as I've suggested before is adding GM Tracking to Warriors. It won't make them any better PvP/PvM-wise, but it'll give yet another supportive skill to them, wich is considered as a clear gain. It would be fine-tuning and since there already is a clear difference between these two classes, it's really no priority.

- Boris

[Simmo]

Sorry but that +3 regen tick is kinda useless unless you run from Trinsic to Storm dungeon. In hunting/pvp stuff goes so fast that you barely get a tick when you already got a hit again.
And 100 tracking would be awesome tho!! Was one of the "whys" why i was assassin actually.

[Boris]

The problem with "3 per tick" is that it's a standard. If we change it to 5, it means we'll have to grant Assassins 5 as well (wich really isn't a biggie) but then we need to give mages 5 for mana regeneration. Generally the higher regeneration isn't much on its own, but combined with a regeneration potion it works like a charm. Add bandages and gheals on top of those.

- Boris

[Simmo]

. Generally the higher regeneration isn't much on its own, but combined with a regeneration potion it works like a charm. Add bandages and gheals on top of those.

- Boris

Aaaaand you are -20k in dept after a dungeon hunt currently. Just kidding. 100 tracking would make me want to join that class. I hope warriors get that.

[Boris]

100 tracking would make me want to join that class. I hope warriors get that.

That's pretty much the only acceptable option.

40 poisoning may be weak, but 65 is too much. Halberds are one hitters as they are, adding greater poison to that is too much. One option is boosting the requirement to add greater poison, but when we alter such stuff, it affects every class using the skill, i.e. Archers and Assassins. Altering the regeneration will create just more headtrouble, 85 healing with 100 tacs isn't really an option and all the other ideas just won't fit.

There's a class speciality coming to Warriors at some point, but besides that I have no problem in giving a small boost to Tracking.

- Boris

[Glarundis]

Playing a bard is a good comparsion. You can waste 100+ gheals in one hunt. Yet, they have 0 healing, bones and a slower regeneration.

yeah, it's nice to waste a big portion of your hunted money just for more gheals

every 2 times or less that we get hit, here comes a gheal (or retreat)


anyways, if you ask me, i wouldn't want gm tracking for warriors. yes, it can work as a help, but i think gm tracking should be restricted to as few classes as possible. i already find it stupid that thieves have 100 tracking.

apart from monk and tamer, there should be only 3 fighters with gm tracking: assassin, ranger and thunter. and that's already a lot. i mean, detect hidden is still almost useless and what do we want now, that almost all players can tracking high hiding?..

about the 3 tick thing, i gotta agree with simmo. things happen so fast in pvp that i think it won't make a difference. yes, mathematically speaking, it will always make a difference, and there can be cases where you get hit and end up with 1 or 2hp and you'll thank the regen rate for that, but i wonder how often that happens. 0.01% of all pvp?
"yay!my char got boosted, it's now 0.01% better". it doesn't help. IF we're not considering regen potions, camping and stuff. also, for pvm, it can be useful as in not having to gain int through bandages because if you rarely get hit, you can afford to let your healing go up again..you'll use bandages only when it's really necessary, casters and stuff, but then again, 65 healing is so sucky that it will fail in those situations anyway

[Boris]

It may mean yet another class has GM tracking, but if you check how many players we have in those classes, you'll notice it won't make a difference. It would be different if lets say Archers, Priests or Barbarians were running with 100 tracking as they're x3-x5 times more popular.

- Boris

[Glarundis]

it's true, but giving 100 tracking to warriors won't mean that it makes those with gm tracking less "unique"?

[Boris]

If you look at the other classes with GM tracking, I wouldn't call tracking as the main attraction. I called it before a supportive skill. It's just a nice addon that's useful, but it won't make you any better PvP/PvM-wise.

If Warriors had more detecting hidden, then it would be a clear no.

- Boris

[Glarundis]

If Warriors had more detecting hidden, then it would be a clear no.

are you sure that the "(tracking+detect hidden+15)/2 vs (hiding+stealth)/2" is working as it should?