you never could have been libating dspine ingots

[Johnny Walac]

Everyone does it. But now I wanna know, who is best at it?
Vote for Sir Johnny Walac.

[Darian Darkmind]

Yeah we're all guilty of it, there's no denying that. I've sometimes done stuff just to grief another player just because he has annoyed me either in game or here on forums. However, I believe he has annoyed me on purpose so which one is really guilty? The one attacking me as a player with insults without a reason, or me "shutting his mouth" IG? For example all those veritas and guard topics where people keep trolling Tekstone, saying we're whiners and whatever really wants me to screw the player's game over so badly that the word "whine" gets a whole new meaning.

This has been going on for years and it's quite hard to say where it began or who started it. Not that it even matters. Most fellas of course blame Tekstone and robbers for it, but to be honest, I'm actually quite sure it was the "victims" who started it. When people were killed and looted, no matter even if fair and square, they've taken it personally and avenged it by any way they can - by whining to GMs, harrassing the player both OOC and IC with all characters, trying to ruin his game play etc. All this just because the guy might have killed and looted you years ago. You can of course say the same about when a robber or a member of Tekstone is killed, but the difference is that they are often all red and when a player has chosen to be red, he has acknowledged he will be killed and looted eventually... and as such he has accepted it and won't take it that personally (At least not in a normal situation).

Actually, Zaradon you're one of them. For a long time I always tried to defend you in ventrilo, I asked people to give you a break and when you guys came from Doom I asked them not to target you because you've already lost a lot of stuff and I felt bad for you. However, your constant remarks on the forums annoyed me enough to change my mind and next time it was me asking people to target you first. Yes, I'm no better than that.

You consider yourself a saint always preaching for "friendly play", but you're equally guilty. It's a sad thing PvP, or more like losing is taken so seriously here in Pangaea

I've played on many shards, some pure PvP shards but some HC RP shards with PvP allowed. In the RP shards even when PvP was free and allowed, people never took it personally and never went hostile against the player. The difference is that it was indeed a HC RP shard where RP was enforced, rewarded and looked after so people always chose RP over PvP and this made the enviroment less personal and thus more friendly.

The only reason why I believe those shards have been more friendly is because of RP. Active PvP-mongers stay far away from HC RP shards simply because they don't have what it takes... and the HC RPers are often older and more mature people altogether. The only way to change the attitude in Pangaea is if GMs would enforce RP more. Bigger RP rewards, more active councelors and GMs always correcting people who might not pay attention to RP. People should know that RP always pays off more than killing someone and looting his items. Whenever there's a choice to either do some great RP, or perhaps kill someone and loot his millions, he should know that RP is more valuable than any of the gear. Pangaea doesn't have that, Pangaea isn't a RP shard to the heart. In fact the only RP reward we have in Pangaea is piety, and even that's been stripped away. Back in the "good days" when 80 piety was still reachable, I always aimed for that and always chose RP over anything... nowadays, well, I simply don't care.

[edit] For example the only times I've been able to RP with my enemies in peace is when we've had them surrounded while they're wearing their best items. Because they are wearing their best items they suddenly want to talk. We know they are stalling so we often kill them fast, but what we should do instead is take the opportunity and enjoy the RP. Capture the guy, take him to our altar and do nice RP things with him without taking his gear. I can't even remember when was the last time I or anyone else did this without it being planned beforehand with both sides and I strongly believe the reason is as simple as the fact that RP isn't valued enough. Why would I do that when it gives me absolutely nothing while killing him gives me his indy set? If it gave me a chance to earn, say 80 piety, I'd be way more open to the idea of letting the guy go after some nice RP sessions.

This is just my opinion of my experiences.

[dwight]

Everyone does it.

False.

[Johnny Walac]

Yeah we're all guilty of it, there's no denying that. I've sometimes done stuff just to grief another player just because he has annoyed me either in game or here on forums. However, I believe he has annoyed me on purpose so which one is really guilty?

Typical Momath.

[Monad]

Many of your biggest mistake what I see from time to time is the attitude "My missions is to eliminate and destroy my opponent until he quits". And yeah, some of you are even serious about it.
Well no it it's not your mission. Your mission is to compete with each other and play together on different sides. You should realise that your best playing partner is your enemy, so you should also have some level of respect towards him, instead doing all you can to piss the person playing the character off and try to make him quit. Seriously.

[Zaradon]

Golden words from Monad.

Recent events between Imperial & Nature is solely due to playerhating.
I can smell it daily basis here and Darian you just can't tell me that i'm playing unfair against anyone for the following reasons;

* I don't go rage on you ingame because you looted my supercarrot the other day.
* I dont send robbers on you, because you annoy me on forums.
* I dont troll you, for no reason.


If you feed it to me, i feed it back. I've just recieved a lot of grief from the "anonymous" party from Tekstone side.


This kind of discussion should be moved to the "PvP on Pangaea" - in the Common religion section if you guys dare to, but seems people dont want to talk to eachother to settle up some things.

It's not only a matter of talking, but also understanding.

[Johnny Walac]

I'm not gonna point fingers but Zabren is actually a griefer.

[Simmo]

....... but i'd rather tell to stay out of threads like this if you are no better at all.

[Darian Darkmind]

Well the problem is very simple

1) RP isn't valued
2) Because RP isn't valued, people rather PvP
3) Because people PvP with little to no RP, the one who dies is always annoyed - especially if the PvP wasn't his own choise (during a hunt for example)
4) The one who is annoyed will whine to GMs for the lack of RP and post on the forums for "ideas"
5) People will troll his topic, make fun of him, tell him he is a whiner and contribute absolutely nothing to his idea.
6) Because of above, the player gets pissed off
7) Because he is pissed, he turns on the emo-mode and goes on a holy crusade of griefing

True story and fits to all of us.

Whereas in a Pangaea I would like to see:

1) RP is valued
2) Because RP is valued, people (Or hopefully at least most of players since there will always be some griefers) always choose RP over PvP and rather fight with words and use scepter only once the words run out.
3) Because people get a nice RP session each time before a fight and sometimes might even avoid a fight, they don't take dying so seriously or personally.
4) Because dying isn't taken personally, they don't whine to the GMs
5) Because there's need to whine, he won't post anything stupid or insulting on the forums
6) Because of that he won't be trolled
7) Because of that he is a happy player.
8) Because he is a happy player, he will return the favor to his enemies whenever he should meet them.

Of course the above is impossible with the players we have, but one can always dream.

[Maximilian Lhoth]

Not sure what the point of this post is... but if you have some ingots missing, more likely someone brought a tinker in there and used all the ingots.

some people were blaming someone of libating dspine ingots, so i made it clear it was not possible 4 months ago, it was not possible 2 years ago, and it is not possible now either. i wanted to stop the nonsense talk about libating dspine ingots.