AFK killing

[emily desyre]

i saw this happenning...johnny made guards to where fabius died, kept doing it for a long time
it seems he did it for like 40 minutes in a row...
Fabius trying to get hes things back but was unable cuz Johnny was there making guard while i lure them to kill he make and make again for we cant get the body... well.. just for say that so

[Maximilian Lhoth]

I was carrying my house keys with me; yoinking must have occurred, since I kept them in a key ring so that they can't just be copied.

Now that I went to my house I found all my foci materials libated away.

[Maximilian Lhoth]

what you have too do it learn from your mistakes no point moaning too gm's its spoils it because they aint to active and havent got the time

i took it to a gm and they wanted SS... of... 10 events? that take place randomly? and then i should try to make the SS logical, to really prove something?

let's assume i tried my best with them:

ss of tek guard killing me:
"couldn't get to my corpse, but its kinda understandable as the guards were still there"
"he should have waited for the guards to disappear"

ss of me getting banished
"he banishes me to make my corpse and items decay"
"he already got his items so i banished him to end the battle"

ss of tek guard killing me again later
"so he summoned new guards near my corpse"
"i summoned the guards away from your corpse but you lured them yourself"

ss of... nothing except corpses on the ground and no items
"the corpsecamping had been going on for so long my items have decayed or been yoinked"
"a corpse decays, someone else yoinks the items, not my responsibility"

ss of my house with libated junk
"they libated my junk with the yoinked housekey"
"nah, there never was anything in the house, he's trying to frame me or someone else did it, not my responsibility. or then he just trashed it himself to make me look guilty"

so SS = nothing

been there done that, didn't help a bit

[Quintoz]

The ss rule is just retarded imo.

[Alteran]

maximus well if you start to give us evidince insteed of anything ealse , it would realy help us a lot.
the key to your house would realy be easy to find , because every gm knows that if some one changed the fosic in your house to something ealse , we can see hwo did that on the fosic , and have the guy read handed , but insteed you complain.
hand me the evidence , and some ss proving the guy was there .
if you dont then you ask me to ask some one ealse , that i have no proff of knowing where , hwo or when something happend.
but i can promiss you next time i get a eligal something i will hand the case to you , and make you a gm for a short whill , then you can try and get the pices together, before you complain , get some evidence first.

alteran

[Maximilian Lhoth]

I know and understand it's difficult for gamemasters to handle those situations. The case remains unsolved because of lack of evidence and most likely will remain forever.

My idea was to use eyewitness story as evidence but I lost the case.

I'll stay away, anyway, so J. W. can continue winning Pangaea without my interference.

[ghoulsblade]

i thought the killer was the one required to show evidence, and not the victim ?
isn't the fact that banishment was used while there was still a unlooted corpse enough to prove malicous corpsecamping ?
houselooting : a logfile showing who opened a housedoor when, and who accessed a house container would be a big help here, shouldn't consume that much disk space with so few players around either.

[Maximilian Lhoth]

isn't the fact that banishment was used while there was still a unlooted corpse enough to prove malicous corpsecamping ?

Yes, if the screenshot somehow proves I was not just otherwise running around in a white robe. I should have taken a screenshot of the banish anyway, so I have failed here.

[Alteran]

i did that it up with jonney , and we had a long discussion about the matter.
And he knows how i feel about the topic , allways remember that summon guards can be dispelled , should help you some how getting to your corps.

Alteran

[ghoulsblade]

so making it difficult to get to the corpse is considered legal as long as it is still theoretically possible ?
dispell is only available to mage chars, does that mean summoning something is considered legal when the opponent is a mage, but not when otherwise ?

Corpse Camping
If a player is "corpse camping" and sees the corpse owner return to get his gear, and then prevents him from getting his gear without good reason, with spawning guards, or luring monsters, then it's illegal. The dead player can prove it was corpse camping with a screenshot of him next to his corpse where a player is waiting. GM's have the final say whether a reason was justified for the corpse camping, and in most cases it is not.

it explicitly mentions spawning guards, was there a "good reason" given ? which was it ?

what would be the correct behavior for the victim if he was banished before getting the chance to take a screenshot ?

if he is still a ghost and the killer moved out of sight, would a screenshot of the guards next to the corpse be enough ?

how about a technical solution like summoned guards ignoring players that have been killed by any guard within the last 10 minutes or so ?

is there an official decision on what has happened exactly ? (was there corpsecamping but it was ok given the circumstances, or was the case rejected as a whole because of missing proof) ?

sorry if i'm asking nasty questions, but i find the details of how cases like this are handled personally very interesting =)