For the future, about PvP, GM and HP

[Maximilian Lhoth]

I heard someone has been complaining to my priest's religion's HP about my legal PvP activity (haven't used the priest if Law has been around, also if I have seen Law I have as quickly as possible logged the priest off and logged on my lootable druid instead to "PvP")

So I suggest those who have issues take it to GM, not HP, because:

- HP is a religion RP boss
- GM is a game mechanical or player made rule related boss

- Or at least take it to me personally so I can tell you to buzz off, but leave other players alone because of my actions, especially the legal or intended to be legal ones

The drylooting rules are luckily long gone now, but: the fact tekstone and law used to loot each other didn't make it illegal for nature to pvp against tekstone, when only tekstone, but not law, is seemingly around. Also you have to remember no one is a superhuman who can see if a Law member is coming, a human being can only use his human brains and go log off when he realizes this.

Not to flame, not to offend, just want the complaints directed to the right persons. A head priest cannot jail me or temp-pietydrop me for a week, and HP wants to play HP, not GM. A GM judgefs screenshots, a GM decides what to do.

HP: RP, organizing
GM: jail related/PvP courtesy related stuff

[Johnny Walac]

This was the rule.

"Only those who have accepted the drylooting rules here on forum. Can PvP with the others who have.

If you PvP anyway with the drylooting party/people. You are breaking rule. You will be reported to Gamemaster who will decide what to do."

And your priest was fighting with Darren around. That makes it illegal.

And take it up with GM and not HP?

You follow your Headpriests order. If he tells you to stop you stop. he don't need a GM as backup.

End of that. Drylooting is over.

[Maximilian Lhoth]

This was the rule.

"Only those who have accepted the drylooting rules here on forum. Can PvP with the others who have.

If you PvP anyway with the drylooting party/people. You are breaking rule. You will be reported to Gamemaster who will decide what to do."

And your priest was fighting with Darren around. That makes it illegal.

I saw no Darren, but it is possible Darren was somewhere, because if I didn't see him it doesn't make it certain he was not. I have no 115 tracking. Specify: how many tiles away should Darren be from me, to make my PvP'ing legal. 20? 50? 1000? 294534502?

And take it up with GM and not HP?

The rules said: jail and 1 week of temp piety drop. HP cannot jail and give one week of piety drop. HP cannot, and does not want to, and is not obliged to scroll some screenshots.

You follow your Headpriests order. If he tells you to stop you stop. he don't need a GM as backup.

You tell my HP I break GM enforced rules, which I did not as far as I know. Thus you manipulate my HP to act as a "pre GM" authority which HP is not intended to be. Since when did HP give 7-12 days of jail for accounts for example? So, if I went and PvP'ed with Law openly, it would be hundred percent GM issue since HP does not jail accounts.

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Think:

"We, Law and Nature have decided to start a war. Our rules are the following: looting only fertile dirt and logs. No stoning, no malediction, no banishment. When we fight, Tekstone must instantly log off or they get 200 days of jail and permanent piety drop to 10. If they are not piety users, they get permanent ban for their account and are never allowed to come back. Plausible deniality is not applied. Tekstone can also join the fight, if they use no weapons and rites at all, or magic spells for that matter; only bare hands."

[Darian Darkmind]

"Only those who have accepted the drylooting rules here on forum. Can PvP with the others who have. "

So let me get this clear. If I'm minding my own business as an outsider and while doing so _I_ get attacked by the area plague/guards or a Tekstone/Law priest I can't defend myself by killing the priest causing it? If I attack him and die myself he can clean-loot me?

I hope this wasn't seriously the rule? Because that is by far the most stupid rule I've ever heard of...

...Unless of course it's also illegal for Law or Tekstone to kill ANY, and absolutely any who haven't agreed to those rules - unless, of course, in self-defence. But we both know a lot of outsiders died by the hand of either Tekstone, their plague or guards... which also caused all the problems I've been reading. Therefore this rule makes no sense at all.

Admins should just allow the old rules back and guilds/religions can then themself set some common gentleman non-looting rules such as no looting if one is wearing his hunting gear and obviously either is on a hunt, is going for a hunt or is coming from a hunt.

[Johnny Walac]

"Only those who have accepted the drylooting rules here on forum. Can PvP with the others who have. "

So let me get this clear. If I'm minding my own business as an outsider and while doing so _I_ get attacked by the area plague/guards or a Tekstone/Law priest I can't defend myself by killing the priest causing it? If I attack him and die myself he can clean-loot me?

I hope this wasn't seriously the rule? Because that is by far the most stupid rule I've ever heard of...

...Unless of course it's also illegal for Law or Tekstone to kill ANY, and absolutely any who haven't agreed to those rules - unless, of course, in self-defence. But we both know a lot of outsiders died by the hand of either Tekstone, their plague or guards... which also caused all the problems I've been reading. Therefore this rule makes no sense at all.

Admins should just allow the old rules back and guilds/religions can then themself set some common gentleman non-looting rules such as no looting if one is wearing his hunting gear and obviously either is on a hunt, is going for a hunt or is coming from a hunt.

If you ain't involved then you shouldn't care so much. Dryloot is over anyway but i can explain.

Only those who accepted Dryloot can get drylooted. In every Town attack people die by plague and guards. Those will not be drylooted of course.
Before when people died by our guards we helped some get gear back/ress etc. We warned players to leave the area before spawning guards etc. We stopped helping them now for a reason.

"...Unless of course it's also illegal for Law or Tekstone to kill ANY, and absolutely any who haven't agreed to those rules - unless, of course, in self-defence."

If anyone was in the way we told them to leave.